Devin King interviews me for Iowa Review

Here.

 

Teaser quote: This is why surfing is a good metaphor for this. It’s not like you learn nothing by watching videos of other people doing it. But to stand on the water yourself, to cooperate with the particulars of the moment—to resist, risk, exploit, find, reject—that’s how you become a surfer. I’ll stop putting on airs now.

 

[originally posted Friday 27 July 2018]